Why is it that more humanities classes are not implemented at a younger age, say in middle or high school classes? Even if some basic ideas were put forth at a younger age, don't you think that it would have a much larger effect on them in the future?
“How can you teach philosophy to poor people without the Allegory of the Cave? The ghetto is the cave. Education is the light. Poor people can understand that” (pg 56). Are people more willing to study education when they can personally relate to the subject being taught?
It seems a little too idealistic to me, that by teaching humanities to the impoverished they become better people. It seems far more likely that they would profit more in taking classes that could have practical job applications. Whihc leads me to my question: Which is more important to learn in ones life, humanities or education with practical job applications?
It seems that there are many programs that are or could be implemented to help poor people learn, why don't they take more adantage of these programs? Do they feel they should not? Or are they ashamed to ask for more help?
Many in the philisophical realm seem to fall back on ancient greek teachings(like socrates and plato) to explain modern day problems and help 'enlighten' people. Do you think that this is really the best way to help people truly understand the world around them and to look beyond just the surface?
I believe that most *poor* or *homeless* people are where they are because of the choices they have made. However, now I wonder: Do people make these choices simply because they don't know better, since they haven't been taught about the Humanities? And why then, are Humanities held back until college?
On page 53 Lynette arranged a meeting with some of the staff at a door. Why did they disagree about the course? Why did they think that they needed to teach at a much lower level? Was it because the students were poor and wouldn't understand what they were trying to teach in the class? Why would the teachers think that? Just because a person is poor doesn't mean that they are uneducated.People learn something new every day.
Do any of us, after reading this, take into consideration or perspective of how lucky we are all to be able to attend a University. To be able to take this Humanities course. There are people out there that will never attend college or even take classes that compare to college courses. We should see how lucky we are to be where we are at now.
Why does Niecie feel that the poor people's problem is that they don't know the "moral life" of downtown? Would culturing people really make a diffrence in how poor they are?
Do you think poor people are poor because they are lazy and not optimistic? I think they need some motivation through real time go getters and maybe then they would learn to make money. I think a book would help to. Michael Caruso J02
In the short reading Shorris says, 'I liked the group immediately after meeting the students.'
When most teachers meet a class of students who are rude and not happy to be there, isn't thier response the opposite? Don't most teachers want to walk into a class room of students eger to learn and ecxited for the class? Johanna Christensen- j01
"Between Oct. and May, students fell to AIDS, pregnancy,pernicious anemia, clinical depression, a schizophrenic child, but out of thirty students, sixteen completed the course."
Wow. I liked this reading. It reminded a little of home and the issues that the Native villages of Alaska are dealing with.
Do you believe that a person can control there own destiny no matter what the circumastance's say location to a school,wealth, or factor's like this? I think a person can get anything or anywhere if they want it bad enough.
Im not sure if i agree with Shorris views on poor people and how they got there, but it was overall a good reading, does Shorris have anything else out there similar to this reading ?
To me this experiment was conducted and ran with great success, on a limited budget why has this not been pick up by the government and started to teach and uses these programs all across America!?!?! I seems crazy that it was not immediately been implemented, or has its been slowly adopted? Malcomb Vrecenar Jo3(ithink) beth
Earl is conducting an experiment based on poor people. But I was wondering why he had to have interviews, and turn people away for being "too poor"? Just doesn't make sense to me.
would this study have been more successfull if they targeted a younger croud? Bye the age of 18 students are already kind of molded into what they are going to be.
Do people that have to work harder for education have a raw brilliance that others don't? Were the students in the reading more affraid of what they were cabable of than what they weren't? Why was their inital reaction to the program reluctance? On page 58 "Mr. Howell" had a problem at work, as he described it. He told Mr Shores that he curbed his anger by thinking of Socrates. Does knowledge directly quell violence? Callie Dietrich J03
It was obvious that the Clemente Course was successful, yet not very many people who need it (the "poor") can afford this "high class" education, and many are not lucky enough to come across an opportunity such as this and pay nothing. Can those who completed this course pass on their knowledge to others who need it or must you formally attend classes to get the full effect?
I've tried to post this already, but here's a shot.
Does this education affect the people because they're poor? Would it have the same affect on unhappy rich people? Do they gain from it because they appreciate it because they've never had access to it before? Or is it something everyone can benefit from at any point in life?
This is on "The Republic of Plato" by Allen Bloom. Because of the previous reading i couldn't help but to think of poverty as what the cave stood for but what was the cave originally a metephor for?
Earl Shorris spent time with Inner City Kids. How do you think his perception was altered? In what ways did his outlook on education differ from those who did not see his first hand experiences?
When they are speaking and they say," And, if he compelled him to look at the light itself, would his eyes hurt and would he flee, turning away to those things that he is able to make out and hold them to be really clearer than what is being shown." Does this metaphor mean that man is afraid of knowledge and simply cannot stand it or possibly that he will leave those he knows when sees the light?
In Socrates's metaphor to Glaucon, his explanation's of why things are, and why people react certain ways seems to be seen quite literally. Do you think that Glaucon saw this as more than just a metaphor while Socrates was trying to explain his reasoning to him?
The Republic of Plato: "See human beings as though they were in an underground cave-like dwelling with its entrance.." I liked that but what do they really mean by having them dwell with its entrance mean? Or is it a shadow of living life in prison? To what I understand is that this is really more likely to be talking about getting caught and be sent to prison and live in prison for years, is that what its talking about?
I think it may be idealistic but also reasonable to educate the poor in humanities in order to recieve a greater rate of their success. But I have to question the dynamics of the entire cycle of poor people and poor mentality. How can a humanities education or even qualitiy education reach a poor demographic region(like a Reservation)?
Im kind of confused of what this leads to? like is it similar to the previous reading we had before? Is it something like, when a man goes into the educational world, he builds up his learning, and breaks out of being stuck in one place?
Is it the poor peoples fault that they can't get an education or the environment that they grew up in? Why is teaching humanities to them going to help them? Won't they just be appreciating any education they can recieve?
Was Shorris implying that it is not the poor's fault that they are broke, but in fact that society plays a part in the poverty of the impoverished?
ReplyDeleteLeah Gregg
J03
How is the way out of poverty threw politics? I didn’t really understand Shorris explanation, and I was wondering what she ment.
ReplyDeleteKelly Fernandez, JO4
Why is it that more humanities classes are not implemented at a younger age, say in middle or high school classes? Even if some basic ideas were put forth at a younger age, don't you think that it would have a much larger effect on them in the future?
ReplyDelete“How can you teach philosophy to poor people without the Allegory of the Cave? The ghetto is the cave. Education is the light. Poor people can understand that” (pg 56). Are people more willing to study education when they can personally relate to the subject being taught?
ReplyDeleteDanielle Orbistondo J01
It seems a little too idealistic to me, that by teaching humanities to the impoverished they become better people. It seems far more likely that they would profit more in taking classes that could have practical job applications. Whihc leads me to my question: Which is more important to learn in ones life, humanities or education with practical job applications?
ReplyDeleteDominic Lodovici
J01
It seems that there are many programs that are or could be implemented to help poor people learn, why don't they take more adantage of these programs? Do they feel they should not? Or are they ashamed to ask for more help?
ReplyDeleteBeky Ulmer, J03
How does one go about from writing a book, to going and teaching to the poor and expect them to graduate from a course of study?
ReplyDeleteXuyen Nguyen J04
Well, I might have missed it cecause I read it while half asleep, but i didn't atch his reasoning behind wanting to write a book about the poor.
ReplyDeleteWhat inspired him to base his book on the poor?
Richard Ringle JO2
What difficulties do the ones who aren't poor have..What opposite way do they serve a difficult life, to the ones who are poor?
ReplyDeleteflorence hadley j01
Many in the philisophical realm seem to fall back on ancient greek teachings(like socrates and plato) to explain modern day problems and help 'enlighten' people. Do you think that this is really the best way to help people truly understand the world around them and to look beyond just the surface?
ReplyDeleteStephen Bishop J03
I believe that most *poor* or *homeless* people are where they are because of the choices they have made. However, now I wonder: Do people make these choices simply because they don't know better, since they haven't been taught about the Humanities? And why then, are Humanities held back until college?
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J04
On page 53 Lynette arranged a meeting with some of the staff at a door. Why did they disagree about the course? Why did they think that they needed to teach at a much lower level? Was it because the students were poor and wouldn't understand what they were trying to teach in the class? Why would the teachers think that? Just because a person is poor doesn't mean that they are uneducated.People learn something new every day.
ReplyDeleteJolene Smith
J01
Do any of us, after reading this, take into consideration or perspective of how lucky we are all to be able to attend a University. To be able to take this Humanities course. There are people out there that will never attend college or even take classes that compare to college courses. We should see how lucky we are to be where we are at now.
ReplyDeleteJenny Danner
J03
Why does Niecie feel that the poor people's problem is that they don't know the "moral life" of downtown? Would culturing people really make a diffrence in how poor they are?
ReplyDeleteEmily Cummins J02
Do you think poor people are poor because they are lazy and not optimistic? I think they need some motivation through real time go getters and maybe then they would learn to make money. I think a book would help to.
ReplyDeleteMichael Caruso
J02
In the short reading Shorris says, 'I liked the group immediately after meeting the students.'
ReplyDeleteWhen most teachers meet a class of students who are rude and not happy to be there, isn't thier response the opposite? Don't most teachers want to walk into a class room of students eger to learn and ecxited for the class? Johanna Christensen- j01
II. AS A WEAPON IN THE HANDS OF THE RESTLESS POOR
ReplyDelete"Between Oct. and May, students fell to AIDS, pregnancy,pernicious anemia, clinical depression, a schizophrenic child, but out of thirty students, sixteen completed the course."
Wow. I liked this reading. It reminded a little of home and the issues that the Native villages of Alaska are dealing with.
-La Tia Jackson, J03
is "Abel Lomas" using a that name to protect himself? or is he just using it for a different reason?
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-J01
Do you believe that a person can control there own destiny no matter what the circumastance's say location to a school,wealth, or factor's like this? I think a person can get anything or anywhere if they want it bad enough.
ReplyDeleteSteve Dyer
J03
Im not sure if i agree with Shorris views on poor people and how they got there, but it was overall a good reading, does Shorris have anything else out there similar to this reading ?
ReplyDeleteMarc Lapeyri - J02
To me this experiment was conducted and ran with great success, on a limited budget why has this not been pick up by the government and started to teach and uses these programs all across America!?!?! I seems crazy that it was not immediately been implemented, or has its been slowly adopted?
ReplyDeleteMalcomb Vrecenar Jo3(ithink) beth
Earl is conducting an experiment based on poor people. But I was wondering why he had to have interviews, and turn people away for being "too poor"? Just doesn't make sense to me.
ReplyDeleteKatrina Moran, JO4
would this study have been more successfull if they targeted a younger croud? Bye the age of 18 students are already kind of molded into what they are going to be.
ReplyDeleteDo people that have to work harder for education have a raw brilliance that others don't? Were the students in the reading more affraid of what they were cabable of than what they weren't? Why was their inital reaction to the program reluctance?
ReplyDeleteOn page 58 "Mr. Howell" had a problem at work, as he described it. He told Mr Shores that he curbed his anger by thinking of Socrates. Does knowledge directly quell violence?
Callie Dietrich J03
do you think people that choose to go to school on there own want or get a better education then others?
ReplyDeleteRegina JO4
It was obvious that the Clemente Course was successful, yet not very many people who need it (the "poor") can afford this "high class" education, and many are not lucky enough to come across an opportunity such as this and pay nothing. Can those who completed this course pass on their knowledge to others who need it or must you formally attend classes to get the full effect?
ReplyDeleteChelsey Welch J02
I've tried to post this already, but here's a shot.
ReplyDeleteDoes this education affect the people because they're poor? Would it have the same affect on unhappy rich people? Do they gain from it because they appreciate it because they've never had access to it before? Or is it something everyone can benefit from at any point in life?
April Henderson J04
This is on "The Republic of Plato" by Allen Bloom.
ReplyDeleteBecause of the previous reading i couldn't help but to think of poverty as what the cave stood for but what was the cave originally a metephor for?
Sarah Ryan J03
Eric Mountcastle JO2
ReplyDeleteEarl Shorris spent time with Inner City Kids. How do you think his perception was altered? In what ways did his outlook on education differ from those who did not see his first hand experiences?
When they are speaking and they say," And, if he compelled him to look at the light itself, would his eyes hurt and would he flee, turning away to those things that he is able to make out and hold them to be really clearer than what is being shown." Does this metaphor mean that man is afraid of knowledge and simply cannot stand it or possibly that he will leave those he knows when sees the light?
The Republic of Pluto:
ReplyDeleteIn Socrates's metaphor to Glaucon, his explanation's of why things are, and why people react certain ways seems to be seen quite literally. Do you think that Glaucon saw this as more than just a metaphor while Socrates was trying to explain his reasoning to him?
Stephen Bishop J03
The Republic of Plato:
ReplyDelete"See human beings as though they were in an underground cave-like dwelling with its entrance.." I liked that but what do they really mean by having them dwell with its entrance mean? Or is it a shadow of living life in prison? To what I understand is that this is really more likely to be talking about getting caught and be sent to prison and live in prison for years, is that what its talking about?
Anastasia Brink, J01
I think it may be idealistic but also reasonable to educate the poor in humanities in order to recieve a greater rate of their success. But I have to question the dynamics of the entire cycle of poor people and poor mentality. How can a humanities education or even qualitiy education reach a poor demographic region(like a Reservation)?
ReplyDeleteJordan Kendall J01
Im kind of confused of what this leads to? like is it similar to the previous reading we had before? Is it something like, when a man goes into the educational world, he builds up his learning, and breaks out of being stuck in one place?
ReplyDeleteFlorence Hadley j01
Is it the poor peoples fault that they can't get an education or the environment that they grew up in? Why is teaching humanities to them going to help them? Won't they just be appreciating any education they can recieve?
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J02